ELITE SNIPERS
General Category => General Snipers Talk => Topic started by: Tom on December 15, 2012, 09:13:42 am
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Preface – Just sayin’
Before I start, I will preface my story by letting you all know that it’s exactly that: a story. There will be a lot of facts in this story, but some of it will be my interpretation of what has happened and some of it will be my opinion. Thank you for reading!
Chapter 1 – The Beginnings of Greatness
The basic game of Snipers, in its roughest form, has humble beginnings. I have heard some claim that the game existed as far back as Warcraft II, but since I cannot confirm this, I will begin by sharing where modern Snipers on Warcraft III originated, which was StarCraft. StarCraft Snipers was extremely simple and crude. There were no items and no abilities, such as windwalk and far sight. There was also no ability to attack walk in the game. The only way to get kills then, was pure locking speed. There was also an anti-hack used in the map. Clearly much has changed since then, but the terrain of the map lives on; the middle of our modern Warcraft III Snipers map is modeled after the middle of the StarCraft map, and in fact remains nearly identical. Snipers on StarCraft was not extremely popular, but it with its creation on Warcraft III, it would soon become one of the most popular custom games ever made.
I didn’t play StarCraft Snipers that much, since I preferred the campaign, and the game itself was my brother’s. I started playing it more and more as the release of Warcraft III approached, and eventually most people that played StarCraft had preordered WC3, including myself. A week or two into simultaneously playing StarCraft and WC3, one of the players from StarCraft had finally finished creating a Snipers map for the new game. His account name was Elite, which is obviously where the “Elite” in “Elite Snipers” comes from. If my memory serves, I believe Elite Snipers was the 4th custom game created on WC3, behind Footmen Frenzy, which I can positively tell you was the first.
Chapter 2 – The First Generation
The time period of the first generation took place between the last year of StarCraft Snipers and the first year of Elite Snipers on Warcraft III.
Who were the first snipers? I consider the first generation of snipers to be the ones who came from StarCraft, as well as those who were a part of the creation of Snipers on Warcraft III. Elite quickly emerged as our leader, which was an easy transition, since he was extremely skilled at StarCraft snipers, as well as the creator of the WC3 map. Elite quickly organized a clan, the first clan exclusively for Snipers. A theme was carried over from StarCraft, and the clan was called Clan AzN, with the tags [NiNjA]. This clan has been remade twice since, once at East (Clan NNJA) and once at Europe. Unfortunately Elite did not play Snipers long. He was sucked into the thrill of laddering and stopped WC3 all together after about a year, but his influence on the game would be great. The first snipers were very few in comparison with the following generations, and on average stuck with the game for the least amount of time. Most of them disliked the new version of Snipers, and their resistance to change would be shared by many generations to come. One of the greatest traditions the first generation of snipers started was the act of mentorship. All but a very few of the first snipers took new players as students and taught them about the game. This great tradition was carried on fairly well by the second generation, but began to die out with the third (and largest) generation of snipers, which has unfortunately led to the declining level of skill we see today.
The first generation was forced to figure out the nuances of the game by themselves, since they were the first to play Snipers on Warcraft III. This made them dangerous and savvy, but left them stubborn to any new ideas, including the ones that the second generation would bring forth. The first snipers were extremely skilled team players, since that was the basis of StarCraft Snipers. Having played most of their time without windwalk or any items, the first snipers were also supreme lockers. Snipers may seem like a simple game to most, but to these veterans, Snipers was a very complex game that was constantly changing. The way they saw how a game unfolded was matched by few, and fewer could predict an enemies’ next move as well as them.
I would describe the first snipers as proud, intelligent, unique, and disciplined.
The most influential person from this generation was easily Elite.
Chapter 3 – The Second Generation
The time period of the second generation was the years 2003 and the first half of 2004. I consider all who began playing Snipers about a year after the game was released, until about a year after that (mid 2004) second generation snipers.
The second generation of snipers was by far the most talented. Having the benefit of being trained by the first snipers paired with the fact that they “grew up” using all the tools that Warcraft III Snipers had to offer made them lethal opponents. Many of the early second generation players adopted the stubbornness of their mentors. This included a zero tolerance of pending and pubbing. However, much of the second generation opposed those unwritten rules, and their opposition would end up revolutionizing the way Snipers was played forever.
True legends forged their names in these years, and the iconic clans, EsA, TeN, Pimp, DF, and DS ruled and shaped the Snipers landscape. Another great tradition was started in these days: clan warfare. Clan wars would end up being the single most anticipated event in Elite Snipers history. A clan would feature its best five or six players against a rival clan’s squad in a true test of all-around team skill. The winner, normally claiming simple bragging rights, would then become a clan that new players wanted to join and be associated with. While those were some of the most historic and memorable moments in this game’s history, a revolution of greater magnitude occurred at about this same time.
As far as gameplay, the second generation’s talent level was unmatched. They standardized teamwork in regular games, and laid the framework of how a game of Snipers should be won for future generations of snipers. The revolution that I hinted at earlier came with a sniper known as Anima. Before leading Clan DF, Anima tried out to join Clan Pimp, which at the time was the clan to be in. Pimp had a very old school approach and frowned upon those who used pendants. In his tryout to join Pimp, Anima scored about 79-8 (correct me if I’m wrong, Dan). As impressive as that score was, Anima was the one who pioneered pending with windwalk in regular games, and Clan Pimp turned him down as a result of his playing style. Clan Pimp, like older players, viewed warding as the best way to win a Snipers game, because it gave your entire team sight of an area. And they were extremely good at defending their wards, and each other. It was a perfect way for them to play, and nobody did it better. But that was not how Anima wanted to play, and so he quickly formed Clan DF. Thus began a series of great wars between these clans, and Anima was looked up to by some as arguably the greatest sniper of all time. Because of his influence, Snipers became less about the team and more about individual scores, mostly achieved through pending. As great as Anima was, few have been able to match how effective he was at the windwalk pending style, and as a result, many clan wars were lost because a team thought that pending with windwalk was a better way to win than pubbing. I maintain that the best way to win is a combination of teamwork and all of the available skills.
I would describe the second generation of snipers as legendary, arrogant, talented, and competitive.
The most influential person of the second generation was probably Anima. Game is also worthy of mention, as he is considered the best team player ever.
At the beginning of 2003, most snipers played on the West server, as this is the default server for Warcraft III when you first install it. It was a shock to many snipers that there was even a possibility to switch servers, and as this knowledge grew, so did the game of Snipers. The game of Warcraft III itself had immense success, and an expansion was released (July, 2004) one year after its original release. Ironically, this was right around the time when most snipers had recently discovered that there were multiple servers, and the Snipers playerbase spiked dramatically. Those events were the beginning of what I consider to be the third generation of snipers.
All of those things combined to create the Golden Age of Elite Snipers.
Chapter 4 – The Third Generation and the Golden Age
This time period began a year after the release of The Frozen Throne expansion (July, 2004) and finishes at the end of 2006, totaling about two and a half years. If a sniper was still a newer player around this time, I consider him or her a part of the third generation.
The third generation of snipers was by far the largest in number, for the reasons I gave earlier. Snipers was booming. Games were played on every server (yes, even Asia) and on both games, RoC and TFT. So in total, there were 8 servers with dedicated Snipers players. It was possible to play Elite Snipers for 24 hours straight and not be waiting for more than a few minutes to start a game by switching servers, and some did just that. At the peak of its golden age, Snipers was as popular as TFT DotA is today. There were 10-15 games up at one time, all of them filled instantly with pros during primetime. If you’re a numbers person, perhaps you’ll appreciate these statistics. You may say, “Snipers was not as popular as DotA. 10-15 games at once is not that many.” But think about it. In a game of DotA, a full house is 10 people. In Snipers, a full house is 12. In addition, a game of DotA on average lasts twice as long as a game of Snipers. Thousands of players came and went, and many of them would never meet one another. During this time, however, the best players knew each other quite well. Clan warfare was still the big event everyone wanted in on, but as the number of players grew, the level of respect people had for one another declined rapidly. It makes sense, considering you could talk trash to someone and never see them again. Unfortunately, the third generation of snipers took full advantage of this. Being younger than their legendary leaders of past generations, they came to resent having to constantly look up to the older snipers.
Even though the third generation was taught by some of the greatest snipers to ever play, their skill level did not match their elders. As a result, many of them resorted to hacking. Obviously there is no way to be certain who started hacking in Snipers first, but the first big named player to be identified as a hacker was named Arcadian. Arcadian was proud of his newfound “skill”, and was not afraid to display it. Before I continue, I need to point out that hacking did NOT originate with the third generation. There had always been a few hackers since the beginning, but the difference now was that more and more players turned to hacking as a way of closing the gap between them, and the “legends”, and many third gen snipers believed hacking was an acceptable means to win. The word “legend” became a widely used term to describe the best snipers, and the third generation wanted in on what they felt was deserved acclaim. These young snipers even created a clan named after their goal, Clan Lgnd. It was also during this time that young players would remake an older, retired sniper’s account, and pretend they were him. This action was aptly named “posing”. Posing was not a serious issue until the act of “Clan Killing” came into play shortly after.
Some young snipers hated the “oldies” (that is, older snipers) and wanted them to be lesser than themselves. So they posed as one of them, joined a clan and became shaman (and the only way they were good enough was by use of maphack) and once they were a shaman, the poser would kick all of the members in the clan. This was clan killing. For quite some time, though, the older players became guarded against such underhanded tactics and Snipers continued to thrive.
I would describe the third generation as rebellious, arrogant, charismatic, and overdramatic.
The most influential person from this generation was hard to pick since there were so many snipers during this time who did great things (along with terrible things), but I chose ESi, who was an outstanding leader, extremely friendly, and a very skilled sniper. ESi was one of the few third generation players that never hacked, and was an accomplished clan leader (Clan GuNz).
Chapter 5 – The Fall of Snipers
This period begins in 2006, and ends in 2008.
So as you can see, the third generation focused on trying to make themselves legends, but they went about it the wrong way. Don’t get me wrong. The third generation was not all bad. In fact, some of them would go on to become as skilled as their predecessors. Many third gens were adept leaders, and during this time there were dozens of Snipers clans, filled with pros. But it was the third generation’s apathy and selfishness that would lead to the downfall of Snipers itself.
One sniper emerged from the pack of rebels, with a heart filled with hatred more so than any before. His name was Max. Max, more commonly known as Gem, Evacide, or Rox, was much like many of his peers. Not being very skilled at Snipers, he resorted to blatant maphacking. To Gem’s dismay, the clan leaders of the time saw that he hacked, and would not let him join their clans. Gem grew angrier as time passed, and plotted a dark plan to destroy the game of Elite Snipers itself. Ironically, Gem’s map making ability was supreme, and his maps are still used today due to their excellence.
Gem, playing TFT East at the time, took up posing and clan killing as a hobby. To exact his “revenge” in fuller force though, Gem would also try to convince some players to open emails containing Trojan viruses, or a program that would hack their computer to give Gem their password. He became a dangerous adversary, and as time passed, more and more clans fell to his wrath. He was a gifted liar and convinced several players to join his cause. Together they formed the first Clan Gem, and their mission was to kill every Snipers clan on Warcraft III. Sadly, this devious plot was carried out to near perfection. Nearly every TFT Snipers clan on East and West was killed by Gem. He killed clans until the day he quit WC3 for the first time in 2008 (later quitting for good in 2009), and this is the main reason that TFT Snipers is virtually dead today. Thankfully, Gem’s reach did not ever come to RoC or Europe, and this is predominantly where Snipers is played today.
I need to note though, Gem was not the only reason Snipers is as dead as it is today. Obviously, life takes us to new places and that was a main reason for most snipers’ departures. The release of World of Warcraft also led many snipers to retire, and the popularity of DotA at this time was rising quickly. People also left Snipers because of the amount of drama that was constantly started by the young players, and as more oldies left, these new leaders were unequipped to deal with the rising challenges of leadership.
I would describe the Fall of Snipers as extremely sad!
The most influential player during this time period was clearly Gem, for some good reasons, but mainly horrific ones.
Chapter 6 – The Fourth Generation, aka The Lost Generation
This time period is very blurred because a lot of it overlaps with the Fall of Snipers. I consider the Lost Generation snipers to be anyone who did not experience Snipers in its true form, yet still played while Snipers was very popular.
What do I mean by “true form”? The third generation of snipers was so focused on becoming “legends” that they failed at their duty to teach the next generation. As a result, the skill level of the average sniper has been declining ever since. Like the first snipers on Warcraft III, the fourth generation had to figure the game out themselves. This made many of them headstrong, but unlike the first generation, the majority of their leaders (the third generation) hacked and were very arrogant. These new snipers did not have any real legends to look up to, only fake ones. Time had taken its toll on the Snipers playerbase, and most of the second generation had quit sniping by 2009. So, what I mean by true form is that these new snipers never got to experience playing against true skill; they were never taught how to be great; the only clans they could join were not nearly as talented as the clans of old; and the old sentiment of honor in Snipers had been replaced by accepting hacking as the norm. More than half of the players that played Snipers at this time used a maphack regularly.
It is truly a shame that these players started playing when they did. If they had started playing earlier, they would have gotten to see the reason why the game of Elite Snipers was so great. If they had started playing later, at least they would have played when Snipers was not as popular. Instead I am sure many of them often wondered why Snipers was so popular, since it was filled with needless drama and negativity.
Due to the vast number of snipers still playing at this time, someone could assume that the fourth generation was fairly large, but that was not the case. The number of players that picked up Snipers and actually stuck with it for a decent span of time were few. In fact, I would estimate that the second generation was actually larger than the fourth. However, by the end of Gem’s killing spree less than half of the third generation remained, and even fewer true legends.
There is a reason I have named the fourth generation the Lost Generation. I can’t think of anyone who was influential enough to even mention. There were plenty of good players and a few good leaders, but no name sticks out to me right now. Hopefully I will think of someone eventually, and if I do I will write them in later.
Chapter 7 – A New Generation, and a New Hope
If you have started playing Snipers within the past 2-3 years, you are the fifth and new generation.
As of right now, Snipers is as close to dead as it has ever been. The game might have a hundred players, but half of that is relatively active. So don’t take it for granted, and don’t take each other for granted. One day you might wake up and wish they were still around. As I write this, there are two Snipers clans. Clan 3xS at RoC Europe, and Clan RG at RoC East.
Most of the new generation has no clue who Anima is. They have never fought in a clan war. They don’t view the game of Snipers as a team game, and for most it would never be considered their main game on WC3. Many do not even possess the most basic of skills needed to be a pro sniper. But that is okay. How could they know these things unless someone told them? It is the reason I am writing this, and the reason I am still around teaching. I want you to know that this game is worth playing. To know that it’s worth fighting for. In all likelihood, Elite Snipers will never be the game it once was. But there is hope. To the person reading this: you are that hope. You are a hope that will be fulfilled not if you become the next legend, or if you bring Snipers back to glory, but if you simply become the best sniper you can be. Play the game the right way and respect your peers, even if they do not respect you. Make yourself an example worth modeling after, and you will be a success no matter how “pro” you are.
Appreciate the past, enjoy the present, and look forward to the future. I have written this in dedication to everyone who has ever played the game of Elite Snipers on Warcraft III. You all rock!
Especially to my old friends: Elite, Game, Apathetic, Steve, Anima, ESi, Kflan, Jubei, Sean, Mike, Puffy, LilPuffy, Krazie, Eagles, Blitz, SeC, Volcom, Helvetia, Skul, Values, Kayla, PoR, Matt, Arfoo, DoA, mybrodro, ZoNo, Estonian, Dethbringa, Psycho, ReKoT, and the hundred or so I can’t even think of right now. You know who you are though.
Also thanks to all my newer people. Keep up the good work! And to everyone who listened to me teach or learned anything from me about Snipers, thank you.
I am, and always will be, Snipers.
Tom
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Dude u Inspire me bro
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I came at the end of the Golden age and beginn of the trash one tz tz
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Haha thanks sniperr. Yeah **** it's a real shame how far Snipers has dropped but hopefully we'll get a few wars/scrimages going soon!
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haha np Tom, y guys i hope too, i want to play in a war :P
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I hope so too, really :)
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Nice work bro, love the fact you actually took the time to word it 'sophisticatedly' ;) Hopefully we can keep recruiting and training new gen! sniping numbers are definately on the increase though
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Well spoken hidden :D
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Haha yeah thanks Hidden! 3xS continues to grow, slowly but surely.
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"Slowly" ? We have more than 55 members! ^^
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But 45-50% of these 55 Members are just 1 times every week on :P :)
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true ****, but i think snipers is gonna grow potential :P
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i got anima on fb, pengu got u any contact with rekot maybe?
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I guess I'm simply happy to get a shout-out towards the end. Seems interesting to me how I don't particularly fall into any "age," but more-so being ever present save for the last two years.
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I have FB contact with Anima, Zono, Kyle, Rare, and Esto. I used to have Rekot but I don't know what happened.
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I classify a player's age based on when they started, if that makes sense.
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I just got tommy @ FB (think no need to get him back :D) The rest ... well i neve rused to have gamer contacts on my FB list....
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How does the new generation compare with the lost generation skillwise? Also u spoke a lot about personality etc of the other generations, how would u rate this new one? I'm just interested ^^
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I am more than happy to answer any questions you have! I'd say that there has been a consistent decline in level of skill since the beginning, so that would mean that on average, the generation before you guys is better. I think there are some players among you that can be much better than that average, though, and we're definitely heading in the right direction.
As for personality, I think that there are always a lot of very cool people that come along. Along with potential in being skilled at Snipers comes the potential to use that skill to be a leader and mentor for new players, which I think many in 3xS possess. Maybe one day we'll have multiple clans that are competitive again...
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w3arena.net heard soon there will be able to host cgs in a normal way and then...ull need to up ur skills without mhs<3
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Guys
Im considering a break for me...... ( its not sure)
i will explain later, when im on..
its not a nice reason, some of u willl think that is isnt true ( more info later)
:(((
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Read the whole thing. Great diction Tom, never knew you were a well-spoken guy. I can spot out I belong in the second generation of snipers. I played with Anima. Never knew which part of "history" i belonged in, but this is a great summation of a great game as we all know it, Snipers. P.S. I also read the thread on Cele's accusation of you mhing. Now that is solid, evidential proof of you admitting to map hacking back when you used to play DoTa and also the era of snipers, "where everyone mhed." That is no real excuse. But i believe you don't map hack anymore and you continue to thrive and keep the game alive, and for that, you earned my respect. I believe there should be no hatred zone between RG and 3xS really. Since these are the only two snipers clans left. I'm in both RG and 3xS because both are snipers clans and both are promoting snipers. That's what it really comes down to. Fellow sniper should not dispute with their fellow snipers.. That simply doesn't make any sense. Regardless, I will continue to be very observant of mhers. And unless we get true, substantial evidence such as replays, no one should be alleged a mher. "Innocent till proven guilty" right? This is the only video game I play, and I truly love it. That's why I took my time out to post this comment. :)
-Bungie
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Thanks Bungie. I completely agree, and am trying to bridge the gap that has formed over the years between East and Europe. I don't know if we'll ever change the other's mindsets completely about the other, but it's worth a shot.
About me hacking back when I did: I mean no disrespect when I say this, but I have never answered to anyone, so to call it an "excuse" is not the best word choice. I do not answer to anyone now either, but there is a huge difference between hacking in today's Snipers and back when I did. It is certainly inherently wrong to cheat, but we were all just kids trying to be the best without fear of consequences. Now that I'm older I see the value of this game and I want it to not only stay alive, but thrive. So any help you or anyone else can give me in recruiting, teaching and mentoring young players would be a huge help. I believe that is how this game will continue to grow, and the level of competitiveness will continue to rise.
Again, thanks Bungie.
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a well written report to a well respected individual. Throughout my years of snipers there are few who I respect genuinely. I played mostly to annoy greats such as anima,akino,drewisfat,celestial,rekot and hundreds more that pains me to forget them, with my supernatural ability to find and eliminate elite tier snipers. I was truly the "anti-bcer" sharing that title with Tweed(another great). Though that title passed on to those I taught and surpassed us both but that said, the categories placed here were professionally done, unbiased and emphasized in exact and great detail. Even if it was a little harsh to the third gen. Mybrodro my first and greatest apprentice of the game was far from arrogant or wanting to be a legend. Many like him were humble and decent people who I was glad to play with and teach throughout my years on wc3. All who never resorted to such things like mhing.
It was truly a pleasure reading this as it brought back many good memories of the friendships/rivals and even enemies that I had made.
It is good to see that the game we all crave for and love is still alive and kicking.
Thank you for gracing us with this priceless art Tom
your friend
Pablo19
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Much appreciated, Pablo, and welcome back! It's a shame more oldies don't play, but we work with what we have. Plague has done a great job of taking the reigns and keeping Snipers alive in my inactivity. I will do my best to be online a LOT more starting tomorrow morning. I hope to see you around old friend. And who knows, if we stick around long enough, we might just get back most of the people we've lost.
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Wow, having a lot of nostalgia right now. Sometimes I go through google and look for old forums and try to find friends that seem forever lost.
I am glad I came across this Tom. It has been a very long time since I have talked to you, SeC, Bungie, or Pabs. I am an oldie and many considered me one of the best and non-hackers. (Also hardly ever pend/bc)
Having been there for most of the game, it really feels like a lot of history is missing. You have the generations down but so much happened and so many great players came and went its truly indescribable how competitive the game was. The friendships made on this game were extremely close, considering that we know each other by name and talk randomly on forums after several years. :D
Very inspiring post. I might have to start playing snipers a little more often now. I want to give a shout out to Anima, Bronz, Squall, Akino, Sec, Baal, Joleen, and so many others who made that 20 minute game last a lifetime of good memories.
And Pabs. I remember when you were new and Mighties. taught you to play. Was awesome to see man.
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pablo is still playing and anima is lurking in the darkness somewhere, last played about a month ago ^^
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Welcome back, Matt. You're right, a lot is missing. This history is just the general history of the game of Snipers itself, meaning it lacks great detail. In a day or 2 I will have posted the more recent European history which will include much more detail. To remember and successfully describe all the experiences we went through over the years would take a lot more time and paper than I have available, if you catch my drift. I believe most of that history should and will remain in our minds. My goal is to record the players and the history from THIS point forward, so that we can remember every detail in full accuracy. Thanks for the comment.
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While you guys were busy sniping on Europe, we had a Snipers Remix scene on TFT Europe too. Obviously not as big.
I recorded Remix clans I knew of from 2004 to 2007 apart from Sand.
SNIP - Lollig[Snip] 2003-2004 (They actually started with Elite. When I came to scene, they started playing Remix)
ESA - Santa-Bla 2003 (My old clan. lasted only a few months because patch 1.13 was too big and i was on dial up -.- so I couldn't log on)
BES - Berserk_Troll 2004 (I was shaman in this one)
DROW - Acrotas[Drow] 2004
COS - Dragun[CoS] 2004
PHAM - DarkSpirit[Pham 2004-2006
SLOS - PHAM derivative 2005
USL - NinjaSniper02 2006
From 2007 onwards, there were a few Elimination Tournament clans but I haven't recorded them so I have no idea.
From 2008 onwards, it was all Warlock, again I don't have much knowledge of that era.
Also a pic of gnome Sand I got from 2007. Not to brag or anything. It really was an invite everyone clan who's interested in Remix and ET and we would do naughty stuff to other clans with that number of active players, like random spamming.
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Nice to see an old east face around again. :)
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I'm just glad that people are keeping the game alive and remembering those who came before. I always made fun of Jason for trying to save the game and now I realize I should have helped more. I became pretty inactive and lost hope after Baal went to fps games.
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On the side note. I need to get something off my chest....
My brother was the Shaman responsible for killing DS. :/
Also agree with the collapse of snipers.
clan killing - no brainer. Many great clans fell and people quit because of it.
game evolution - Spawn killing and pend/bc really made new players not want to play again. The gap between the average or new player and the pro's became too great.
competition - Players were so competitive that they made it impossible to recruit new players. The game was Elite Snipers, not Snipers.
hacking - anybody good was considered a hacker, especially newcomers or smurfs.
new games/life goes on - **** World of Warcraft
Deep down I know that I, along with many others were responsible for the pinnacle of snipers, but also its decline. We all became a tight niche of pro's and competitors. Unfortunately not many of use became great mentors for the next generation. We bashed noobs and anybody who wasnt on our level or "as old of a sniper" as us and we really didn't contribute to its growth.
I am going to try to log on and see if anyone is on!
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New generation incoming
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we will see
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YO ITS UR BOI HIKARI
POSTING ON THESE TRASH FORUMS IS WHERE I BE
IN THIS WACK THREAD BOUT SNIPERS HISTORY
CLEARLY THIS IS A POST ALL BOUT ME
AS IM THE BEST YOU NIGGAS EVER SEE
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You niggas dun no ****, talking about how great anima be. Dat nigga scared of girl, how can you be da best when you fear woman. Nigga beg me to join DF, dey bring me down so i decline
YO fools need to remember dem ol days, i got sniper to where it be with my sick skill
I log on 2day all them niggas hacking, unlike yall i was legit
PS check out my sick rap niggas
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haha **** yea i got a whole chapter to myself
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wauw, just wauw.....
such intelligence
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Wow, this has been a while.
Anyway, cool to see that the Snipers community is still alive...albeit by a thread.
Cool description of the history, although like you said that's based on your experience and perception...which is valid enough :)
Gem, most influential, though? He was a speck at the end, in my opinion, who most players didn't even bother to know. But your description of him, otherwise, was pretty spot on. I feel like (although older players), people like Newb, Ark-, Rale, Gosus (Even though he was found hacking), Bovine, Moose and even myself (Replaced/FoolsPimp) were far more influential than Gem during that era. We actually taught people about the game during that time. Gem just tried to convince his buddies to hack alongside him, while still losing to our older but stronger clans during clan wars.
All in all though, awesome story! Was great to read up on what was honestly a HUGE part of my life. Very cool!
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I don't want to shock you but we don't have a hostbot anymore. Therefor the community is more or less dead now. =(
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Brutal... I was thinking of coming back too. :(
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The community cant stay alive without plague
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Sheep, plague will not buy the third bot...
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Mb but if nobody buy a bot the communuty will die.
And why u dont buy a bot you??
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Ok... with that question you locked me. I can't tell you why I can't get a bot right now. The only think that i can tell to everybody is that I'm going to buy bots for 10 years if the community will be alive at least 4 or 5 years...
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I m not old in sniper so i dont know if the player of sniper stop play fastly but it will be hard to keep the communuty alive for 5 years and after mb in 5 years the computer will be 4D or anything like it so to my mind wc3 will die in 3 or 4 years
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Well while that was a nice little trip down nostalgia lane, overall just down right depressing to read.
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スズキミク
プロフィール
ブログ
なう
グルっぽ
ピグの部屋
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Agreed, Aidan.
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Aidan i dont know if u know what u told but in chinese it means "XsheepY is pro"
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sheep, that's japanese :).
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ROFL Y now i remember in japenese it means" XsheepY best sniper forever ".
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Yeah. **** has agreed with me :).
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狙撃手のゲームは死んでしまう...
Translators ftw!
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Off topic-talk :o
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WTF SNIPERR I WANTED TO SAY THAT!!!!
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WHAT SUP MY SNIPER HOMIES !! this is rekot a.k.a eHeNeSsY !! Good to see snipers community still alive :p i try to play but i dont ever find anyone but loser ass akino lol !!! get at me tho Tom !! and u to PAB !!
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We have no clue where Tom has gone :(
But plague went to warlock on TFT
Nice to meet u :)
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Nice to meeet u too !!
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Hey Guys,
i started playing elite snipers 2003 as Lollig[snip] with some friends. After a while we thought about founding a clan. Surprisingly more and more people were interested joining us. A friend of mine started to modificate the map, but before we finished, the Remix Map appeared.
After a while one of my Members started to recruit the my member for his own clan [bes]. In this time i have been a little bit idle, so it made it easier for him.
I just wanted you to know how this happend und to complete the beginning of the Elite sniper history. Another clan, which started playing this hard like we did isnt known to me.
Maybe i try out elite snipers anytime again. :)
write me an email if you want to.
Greets
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can't believe this thread is still alive lol add evacide on steam if you play dota 2, would love to have some old snipers to play with
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I play dota 2 all the time ill surley add u
Mine is downerlokz
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o.0
I feel so old now looking at this lmao
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what sup Ic[e- !! its HeNeSsY !!
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Now I feel ancient. Damn long time no see
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fuuuuck so many memories
add me on steam lets play some dota : Sosadu2
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I didn't ask for all these feels, Tom. I didn't ask... :'(
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Wow, all I can really say is WOW!, i just so happen to stumble across your forum here. Is this Clan ES from Starcraft Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the day since Original SC @ USEast? ES-Megz ES-Tenshou ES-Foolycooly etc..
I got some good news for you guys, Starcraft Snipers LIVES and has carried on in your absence! We can get easily 10 games a night. We play on Brood War USEAST, I run Clan RF (Recon Force) originally led by Pimp-rF-.
If you guys need cd keys to login and play
1155050065337
3043110901016
1355300302238
1155710565537
1355170327032
3043060911015
1155000055533
1155600375536
3502210043979
4441903995438
3043590401211
2163925995851
3143410783214
2221212927911
3043670801216
1355360157438
1355770137031
1355510367139
3343970201519
3343790371012
3343800221317
3343330191218
1345610003035
1075740663237
1355320037734
0717560945759
1375872663098
1055620266738
1155110166433
1055030056435
1155530626436
2221032196915
2321912956315
3043700710918
3043620300815
3343750391311
2221802696115
1355460142237
3043480045013
2321782030812
3863700215510
3043780031112
3043790120415
1155300456133
3353350545911
1155130363135
4441863184831
2221952436915
2321992051616
all are working and non muted//voided, they may be in use but all you gotta do is try another or login at the correct time.
I suggest using www.stealthbot.net to test a key before installing product with it.
If u dont actually own starcraft brood war (or lets just say u lost ur disc but u own it) well you know you can torrent it mount image with Daemon tools and install.
We are EXTREMELY ACTIVE, most of us playing DAILY, Come play the game where it all originated!
"angles SToplocks Lure Missclicks Flagging, Skips, stalls and all those old school terms"
Remember check out the Community USEAST
command to join channels
/j Clan rF
/j Clan 3oD
/j Op Sniper
/j Clan TkO
I look forward to reconnecting with some of you, perhaps you have heard of me? Oragami I played Original SC Snipers before Broodwar, according to this post Im a Generation 1 sniper.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN!
My USEAST current account name is Psychic-rf-
we even record our matches to proof legit gameplay IE no maphack or w/e else there is nowdays!
http://www.veoh.com/users/oragami
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Haha oragami,
I've never played Starcraft I, but it looks really cool :D
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indeed it is a lot of fun!
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8747238/Starcraft___Brood_War
come join us!
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Ok, downloaded starcraft and multiplayer works, thanks ;).
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yo yo! sup i just seen you in channel. I wasnt sure who you were but now i know since i checked here. haha
We will try n get you set up with a game, i am willing to help u out its just today i feel really sick. ugh stomach and headache and wat not.
welcome :D
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Thanks.
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Can u guys guide me through>> :P
I wanna come
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get a torrent downloading program such as Utorrent
go to the piratebay link provided. Click download
google.com Daemon Tools Lite download, install
when torrent is finished open the file location of the download *right click the program downloaded in utorrent*
double click the Starcraft original disc icon *install with cd key*
do same step as above with broodwar disc icon
open starcraft, click Multiplayer, try to connect to battle.net (will start an update) let it update
Open again or just login.
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I switched over to starcraft II... I have been occasionally getting on warcraft to see if any games are up.. but I haven't seen any nor can I enter the restricted clan channels. My friends list has no active players on it. Add Chlamydia[StDS] if anyone gets on and maybe I can actually find a game or a channel. I have also been trying to contact Baal_Dota... I believe he is pretty big into the dota scene maybe even playing semi-pro. He posts on several websites but they are always french or german sites and its difficult to message him. Been looking for several older players...(jubei, akino, marcus_aurelius, ect) if we were friends shoot me a private message with your email or facebook so there will at least be some glimmer of hope that the years spent on this game and friendships made weren't for nothing. So damn disconnected from snipers now.
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I got home today and my brother showed me this writeup he found while randomly thinking about Snipers. I haven't played WC in months and snipers in years. For those of you that know me, judging by this I was a third generation (I think) sniper, and played under the names KFlan, Filthy, ****, j2ape, Sickskills, etc... my brother was the hated and feared immature mcflanny, goldensniper, and countless other akas/namespoofs. We have both led clans to countless victories, anddddd a couple losses haha. I can't remember which clans I regularly was a part of but I was chieftain of BOOM for awhile. I remember playing on a couple of different maps but mostly Gems version. After finding this I am fired up! I would love to play some friendly sniper games which I'm sure would have much less banter after maturing for 10 years haha. I'm going to search this forum for the most likely places to find the clans/games/realm but if anyone was my friend feel free to message me or email at flanaganwhs@yahoo.com. Hope to see some of you in games soon!
PS I did see some stuff about a reunion and you can count me in, out locking people from the hills!
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Nice! Id love a reunion also haha :=)
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So I was walking my dog the other day.
And I saw a Warcraft 3 Battlechest set for sale and I almost bought it to play again.
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"almost" =(
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Well hello there! :)
I cannot even put to words how happy I am I decided to Google "WC3 Snipers" before going off to class and stumble upon this. I'm so happy to see you guys again! Even though I haven't played in years.
The reason I even came up with the idea to Google that was because Source 2 (DotA 2) will come with a custom map maker and I'm thinking of recreating RoC Snipers in Source 2, 100% original (identical map, skillsets, etc). An idea which I've had for years.
I remember the days when there were multiple SNIPERZZZZZZZZZ games on Europe going on, someone gives you a whisper "Join quick, X is here too", the games were full within seconds and being too late you had to join another game, which was usually filled with new players.
I remember Elite Snipers slowly dying off once people started getting banned for using Maphacks in custom games. Not to mention the EU snipers community has pretty much always been 90% backstabbing, elitist and immature. Things like being alone with the rest of your team being new players and having a few oldschoolers in the opposite team, getting annihilated and then also recieving a lot of flame and elitist behavior from the opposite team. This is what made me play less and ultimately unistall WC3.
But it was the same on the US servers, where you would make an unknown account and elitist players start flaming you for killing them. But like always, there are some great people and players such as ZoNo, Pengu, etc. I'm sure there are a lot more, but I can't remember much since it's been such a long time.
And hello SniPerr! You were a great play and a great dude (and still are! :) ). Same for Hidden. I remember logging on a few years ago for a few games and some of you gave me a warm welcome. I think it was SniPerr, maybe with an alternate account. Might of been Hidden.
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I also googled wc3 elite snipers for fun.
I can testify to the accuracy of the third generation and the 4th chapter downfall. I didn't know there was a revival. Wonder if anyone recognizes me. Out of the list of names you posted I only remember Anima and Rox. I can testify to rox hacking and map making... I can't quite remember Anima? I think he was a skilled clan leader.
I never realized that Rox was trying to destroy it all. But it kind of makes sense now.
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Gosh i miss the sniper times so much, can't tell u how much...
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**** good story, now you should update it with clan 3xS and SNG. Should be fun
See you
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OITTT HOLY **** LOL, Im sitting at work, bored to death.. Looking suddenly I stumble on this holy **** ****.. I actually read everything!!
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Wow this is amazing! Just happened to google Snipers WC3 and this came up. I was Eagles back in the day and remember this history well. Nice job writing it all up, it brought back many memories. Funny to think about how serious it all seemed at the time. The clan politics and drama were incredible. Definitely the formative game of my middle school years.
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I remember Gem aka Max aka dat dude. Gop-demon i remember you too. You used to play in our dota games too.
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How does this old school pos sniper who played the game with all those jackweeds listed up there get back to being a degenerate and playing again?
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Hey,
Thank you for the history of Sniper, i have played a lot this game but apparently i was the 4th generation ? in 2007 2008, cause we all played for the personal score.
I will try to host more the map, maybe it can come back with Warcraft3 Reforged.
The toxicity between players is still alive apparently, after just 3 games today, get flamed cause i apparently didnt let them buying some items.
See you soon,
ChInIsU
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hey man, come join us in clan RG@europe we still host snipers and we've also created a discord server for snipers, you should check it out!
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Thanks for recognizing me ! Love you guys . i really miss the good old days. Im happy everyone kept in touch and made a forum. I really miss everyone . today is december 29 and i am postin this at 12:16am eastrrn time zone. I logged bak on not to long ago. My account was deleted due to inactivity. But i hope to play with you all again. I miss everyone i hope to get reunited with each and everyone of you. I loved the lock wars i use to host every day back in like 2001. With george 9golden9 or golden ant army. And my friend drew. Rekot still a jerk as ever. I dont know where everyone is at but i will be online more active. And i hope tospeak to u all again and play some games. Life is too short and i spent alot of time on wc3. You all earned my respect and i really wish everyone could come together. We dedicated time to each other and im sure these friendships were stronger because of our bonds for this game. I also have sc2 sc remastered wc3 and tft still. My computer broke . which is why i was inactive. Im more settled now so i can play. Still work alot tho %p but i plan to be on for a very lonv time until blizzard closes the servers whicj i hope not! I will also be purchasinv wc3 reforged! So i hope to see youall soon
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Thanks for the shoutout. Anyone still play?
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Well this was an interesting read, and I got a mention. Honestly, thought my name was top 2 for my gen, who went 1-1 with me??? As for history... pendant spam... I'd credit that more to Bebop than anyone else... speaking of a ghost...
Bebop, I miss you bud, what happened to you?!
Good times old friends, hope everyone is well.